Deciders

August 17, 2008

Back in the Saddle Again

Fresh off his Hawaian vaca, Barack Obama was back at Saddleback Church Saturday night, this time to answer questions posed by Pastor Rick Warren. John McCain then aswered the same questions. Evidently he was in a closed room and unable to hear Obama’s answers.
Rick Warren did a fine job questioning the candidates. The network moderators should take note. None of this summers “debates” has provided voters with as much relevant information as tonight’s event. Good stuff.
I thought McSame handled himself fairly well. He seemed confortable with the format. He provided viewers with somewhat clear presentation of his flawed policy proposals. The most important question was handled in very different fashion by each candidate. Here is the transcript from each (Obama in blue, McBush in red)…
 
   Q: OKAY WE’VE GOT ONE LAST TIME — I’VE GOT A BUNCH MORE ABOUT LET ME ASK YOU ONE IN EVIL. DOES EVIL EXIST AND IF IT DOES DO WE IGNORE IT, DO WE NEGOTIATE WITH IT, DO WE CONTAIN IT OR DO WE DEFEAT IT?
   A: EVIL DOES EXIST. I MEAN, WE SEE EVIL ALL THE TIME. WE SEE EVIL IN DARFUR. WE SEE EVIL SADLY ON THE STREETS OF OUR CITIES. WE SEE EVIL IN PARENTS WHO HAVE VICIOUSLY ABUSED THEIR CHILDREN AND I THINK IT HAS TO BE CONFRONTED. IT HAS TO BE CONFRONTED SQUARELY AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I STRONGLY BELIEVE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT GOING TO, AS INDIVIDUALS, BE ABLE TO ERASE EVIL FROM THE WORLD. THAT IS GOD’S TASK. BUT WE CAN BE SOLDERS IN THAT PROCESS AND WE CAN CONFRONT IT WHEN WE SEE IT. NOW, THE ONE THINK THAT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT IS FOR US TO HAVE SOME HUMILITY IN HOW WE APPROACH THE ISSUE OF CON FRONTING EVIL, BUT YOU KNOW A LOT OF EVIL HAS BEEN PERPETRATED BASED ON THE CLAIM THAT WE WERE TRYING TO CONFRONT EVIL.
  Q: IN THE NAME OF GOOD?
  A: INTO THE NAME OF GOOD. AND I THINK ONE THING THAT’S VERY IMPORTANT IS HAVING SOME HUMILITY IN RECOGNIZING THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE WE THINK OUR INTENTIONS ARE GOOD DOESN’T ALWAYS MEAN THAT WE’RE GOING TO BE DOING GOOD.    
 

   Q: HOW ABOUT THE ISSUE OF EVIL? I ASKED THIS OF YOUR RIVAL IN THE PREVIOUS THING. DOES EVIL EXIST AND IF SO, SHOULD WE IGNORE IT, NEGOTIATE WITH IT, CONTAIN IT OR DEFEAT IT?

  A: DEFEAT IT. COUPLE POINTS, ONE, IF I’M PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, MY FRIENDS, IF I HAVE TO FOLLOW HIM TO THE GATES OF HELL, I WILL GET OSAMA BIN LADEN AND BRING HIM TO JUSTICE. I WILL DO THAT AND I KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. I WILL GET THAT DONE. NO ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO TAKE THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN — INNOCENT AMERICAN LIVES. OF COURSE EVIL MUST BE DEFEATED. MY FRIENDS, WE ARE FACING THE TRANSCENDENT CHALLENGE OF THE 21-CENTURY, RADICAL ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS. NOT LONG AGO IN BAGHDAD, AL-QAEDA TOOK TWO YOUNG WOMEN WHO WERE MENTALLY DISABLED AND PUT SUICIDE VESTS ON THEM, SENT THEM INTO A MARKETPLACE AND BY REMOTE CONTROL, DETINATED THOSE SUICIDE VESTS. IF THAT ISN’T EVIL, YOU HAVE TO TELL ME WHAT IS AND WE’RE GOING TO DEFEAT THIS EVIL AND THE CENTRAL BATTLE GROUND ACCORDING TO DAVID PETRAEUS AND OSAMA BIN LADEN IS THE BATTLES — IS BAGHDAD, MOSUL AND IRAQ AND WE ARE WINNING AND WE ARE SUCCEEDING AND OUR TROOPS WILL COME HOME WITH HONOR AND VICTORY AND NOT IN DEFEAT AND THAT’S WHAT’S HAPPENING. WE HAVE — AND WE FACE THIS THREAT THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. IT’S NOT JUST IN IRAQ. IT’S NOT JUST IN AFGHANISTAN. OUR INTELLIGENCE PEOPLE TELL US AL-QAEDA CONTINUES TO TRY TO ESTABLISH CELLS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. MY FRIENDS, WE MUST FACE THIS CHALLENGE. WE CAN FACE THIS CHALLENGE AND WE MUST TOTALLY DEFEAT IT AND WE’RE IN A LONG STRUGGLE, BUT WHEN I’M AROUND THE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE SERVING THIS NATION IN UNIFORM, I HAVE NO DOUBT, NONE.

 
The contrast in the candidates’ logic is crystal clear. Barack Obama recognizes that America must confront evil to succeed. We must confront evil by understanding its roots, message, spread, goals, and tactics. An honest assessment must be presented to the American people. We can then decide as a nation how we wish to deal with “evil” and evildoers.
John McSame couldn’t resist the opportunity to take a page from the Bush playbook when answering the question. He immediately proclaimed that America must defeat evil to succeed. This represents the tired, unsuccessful logic of the neoconservatives. In their view, there is no need for examination of terrorism and other forms of evil. Their philosophy ignores this necessary analysis and jumps straight to the part that lines the pockets of their defense industry chums. We must hunt down and kill or capture every terrorist on the face of the earth, they say. Many of us realize that this is simply not possible. We must focus our efforts on those individuals and entities which pose a threat to America. And the case for military action and government funding for such actions needs to be presented to Americans in a straightforward manner. Only then can we as a nation begin a successful campaign against evil. Barack gets it, McCain clearly does not.
 
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10 Comments »

  1. Excuse me for asking this, but I believe the American public MIGHT
    have been duped by Pastor Rick, who looks silly in that goatee of his,
    and he could lose some weight too……but what I am talking about is
    this: you didn’t mention it and nobody else, but I have a very strong
    suspicion that the questions that Pastor Rick asked the two candidates
    were GIVEN to both Obama and McCain in advance of the
    “show”……..why do I suspect this? because at one point Obama said
    “I cheated here and did some research before hand…..I actually
    looked at this idea ahead of time….”

    he said this in response at first to one of Rick’s question around the
    45 minute time….

    and CNN made a major gaffe: on the news scrawl below the screen, the
    news editor who is obviosuly illiterate wrote for all the world to see
    on CNN: “What is the greatest moral failure in your LIVE?

    shoulda been LIFE? it was never corrected during Obama’s half……way
    to go, CNN!

    but the main questuon here, sir, is WHERE THE QUESTIONS GIVEN TO THE
    TWO MEN BEFORE THE SO CALLED FORUM? I believe they were. I am going to
    ask Rick right now and see what he says….

    when Rick also said “we are the most blessed nation on earth”…again
    he is so full of it. Other nations are also blessed, sir Rick,
    American is not NUMBER ONE in BLESSEDness, this is a huge mistkae of
    arrogant overweight ammericans like Pastor Rick, who is a brainwashed
    mindcontrolled robot of an ancient religion that is completely based
    on myth and legend, there is NO JESUS at all, and yet he gets away
    with this crap…..sad in this day and age..but that’s America for
    you, LIVE!

    Comment by Danny Bloom — August 17, 2008 @ 11:59 am | Reply

  2. Danny,

    Goatees and obesity aren’t really relevant here. Some of the finest interviewers/questioners in the business aren’t exactly easy on the eyes. Do you find Helen Thomas physically appealing? I do not, but I think that she asks better questions than her sexier cohorts. Elisabeth Hasselbeck is physically attractive but perhaps the least talented in the entire opinion business.

    You aren’t the first to suspect that questions might have been provided ahead of time. I don’t believe they were, but who knows? Your inference that Obama must have known a question was coming based on his statement that he’d “cheated a little bit” is flawed. Candidates for political office are coached in the art form that is answering questions. I’d be willing to bet that Obama has a standard framework from which he works when answering most questions. McSame likely does too, although he often seems to forget his. This is standard operating procedure in a presidential campaign. Below is the transcript of Warren’s question and Obama’s answer. I don’t feel that it provides any evidence of any pre-interview monkey business…

    Q: OKAY. THIS ONE IS DEAR TO MY HEART. MOST PEOPLE DON’T KNOW THAT THERE ARE 148 MILLION OTHER FANS IN THE WORLD, 148 MILLION KIDS GROWING UP WITHOUT MOMMIES AND DADS. THEY DON’T NEED TO BE IN AN ORPHANAGE, THEY NEED TO BE IN FAMILIES BUT A LOT OF FAMILIES CAN’T AFFORD TO TAKE THESE KIDS IN.
    A: RIGHT.
    Q: WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO CONSIDER AND EVEN COMMIT TO DOING SOME KIND OF EMERGENCY PLAN FOR OTHER FANS LIKE PRESIDENT BUSH DID WITH AIDS ALMOST A PRESIDENT’S EMERGENCY PLAN FOR ORPHANS TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE?
    A: I CHEATED A LITTLE BIT. I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THIS IDEA AHEAD OF TIME AND I THINK IT IS A — I THINK IT’S A GREAT IDEA. I THINK IT’S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD SIT DOWN AND FIGURE OUT WORKING BETWEEN NONGOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS, INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, THE US GOVERNMENT, TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN WE DO. I THINK THAT PART OF OUR PLAN THOUGH HAS TO BE HOW DO WE PREVENT MORE ORPHANS IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THAT MEANS THAT WE’RE HELPING TO BUILD THE PUBLIC HEALTH INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THE WORLD, THAT WE ARE YOU KNOW BUILDING ON THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU AND, BY THE WAY, THIS PRESIDENT HAS DONE WHEN IT COMES TO AIDS FUNDING AROUND THE WORLD. I THINK YOU KNOW I’M OFTEN A CRITIC OF PRESIDENT BUSH BUT I THINK THE PETFAR PROGRAM HAS SAVED LIVES AND HAS DONE VERY GOOD WORK AND HE DESERVES ENORMOUS CREDIT FOR THAT.

    I agree with you that America is not #1 is blessedness and that other nations are also blessed. I disagree with your “NO JESUS” claim, but hey- that’s what blogs are for. I don’t censor comments like yours, but my (r)epuke friends in the blogosphere usually have no problem doing so. Thanks for reading and commenting!

    PEACE

    Comment by deciders — August 17, 2008 @ 6:02 pm | Reply

  3. hhhmmm…confront evil and talk about why it’s there or outright beat it into submission? You know, only to an complete moron such as yourself would that even be a decision to make. Do us all a favor and self-late-term-abort yourself.

    Comment by kender — August 22, 2008 @ 6:21 am | Reply

  4. Kendra,

    Wonderful commentary. I’m surprised you’re not a special correspondent for FauxNews yet. Do you really think that the U.S. has the capability to “outright beat into submission” every evildoer in the world?

    Do us all a favor- cancel your Soldier of Fortune subscription and seek professional help.

    PEACE

    Comment by deciders — August 22, 2008 @ 6:07 pm | Reply

  5. Derider, yes we have the capability of beating into submission those who would stand against us. It’s just like killing cockroaches (although I understand you may be against this practice as it would destroy the rapt audience you command in your mothers basement) and eventually we’d run out of adversaries as they’d all be dead or converted by their love of breathing. You seem to be one of those dumbasses who claim violence is never the answer. It is morons such as yourself whom I enjoy meeting, as a good swing stopping just short of your head would show how steadfastly you adhere to such an idiotic principle.

    Eventually (if you idiots on the left have your way) the war will reach our shores. When that happens please go beg protection of the muslims and evildoers you defend so vociferously. If you or your ilk show up on my doorstep begging to be saved you can rest assured, as part of the reason we will have to fight in our streets, I will use you as a human shield.

    Comment by kender — August 22, 2008 @ 11:21 pm | Reply

  6. Don’t worry, the only reason I’d ever show up at your toilet of a house would be to repossess it. Keep logging those extra hours at Wal-Mart so you can pay for that shitshack and we’ll never have to meet.

    PEACE

    Comment by deciders — August 22, 2008 @ 11:56 pm | Reply

  7. which house would you come to? I have one in the mountains, one in the city and one in the high desert,,,,,,,,and nope walmart is not where I have attained gainful; employment………..so which of my jobs do you want to make assumptions about first? Tell you what, you come out of your basement first and I will come down from the balcony where I di most of my writing.

    Than we can meet

    Comment by kender — August 23, 2008 @ 4:17 am | Reply

  8. BBBB-BBB-BBBBUBBBA BBAD BAD TO THE BONE…spare me the tough talk. You don’t even believe in half of the bullshit you spew. You are solely motivated by money. America is suffering at the hands of people like you. Sit out on the balcony of that house on Nov 4th. Just relax all day…and do some good for a change.

    PEACE

    Comment by deciders — August 23, 2008 @ 5:40 am | Reply

  9. Here’s the difference between you and I. I know what I stand for is right and good and what more it’s provable to those who have the capacity for ration, critical thought (which means by default you won’t get it). What’s more I am more than willing (and capable) of standing up for what I believe in. You on the other hand, being a softheaded leftist twit, are the kind of person who will be muttering “can’t we all just get along” while you’re being blindfolded by some jihadi.

    And I am not motivated by money. Money is simply a reward for what you have accomplished, which allows one to secure those things they wish to have in life, a bigger house, better car, nicer clothes etc.

    I know you bunny-man. I know your kind. I know what makes you tick. And the truth is right here.

    Comment by kender — August 23, 2008 @ 4:55 pm | Reply

  10. Take off your blindfold, Kendra. You’re blind to the ways of the world.

    PEACE

    Comment by deciders — August 23, 2008 @ 6:04 pm | Reply


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